Tagged: dogs on the beach vote
August 2, 2020 at 11:21 pm #4829Tony NerlingerParticipant
The following is my opinion as an owner in Tower Shores and as a dog lover. I have had dogs most of my life.
When considering a change to the present Tower Shores rule of not allowing dogs on the beach during the summer season, I urge each owner to consider the full ramifications of allowing dogs on the beach.
The straw poll which is being conducted asks owners to choose between the present dog rule or changing the present rule to allow dogs on the beach in some way. I believe, to better demonstrate what the ramifications of rule change would be, we should ask the owners if they want Tower Shores beach to become a “dog park.”
There are two main contributing factors to the dog park potential:
1) More than half of the approximately 220 units are rented during the summer.
2) The State of Delaware and most municipalities and private beaches do not allow dogs on swimming beaches in the summer.
Because of these two factors, dog owners would want to rent at Tower Shores because they can bring their dogs on the beach, contributing to Tower Shores becoming a “dog park.”
A further indication of the dog park concept occurred when I was at the beach in the middle of May. There were 26 people on the beach and 12 dogs. How many dogs are acceptable on the beach…..3? 20? 30? 50?
There are a number of other aspects of allowing dogs on the beach that need further consideration, such as:
Aggressive dogs (google children being bitten in the face by dogs)
Effect on property values
Enticing others who do not own, reside, or rent in Tower Shores to use our beach
I believe that a vote for dogs on the beach is a vote to open the dog floodgates, making Tower Shores beach more like a “dog park” than a relaxing, safe, fun beach….for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren.
August 2, 2020 at 11:31 pm #4830Leslie UlanowParticipant
You have always had an animus about having dogs on the beach. As such, I think that it was wrong for you to misre0resent what other private beaches do.
Additionally, many beaches North and south of us allow dogs.
Your list of “other aspects” is factually incorrect and misleading: and trying to add fear to the decision making process.
Please stop “lobbying” your position and let people make up their own minds.
None of us should be doing this on this site.
August 3, 2020 at 12:09 am #4831Brad MandelParticipant
I agree with Leslie however as an owner you have every right to voice your opinion on the forum but you ore twisting things and grossly overstating something very simple. Dog owners do not want a dog park, I’ve had this conversation with you at length and don’t understand why you keep playing a broken record.
Dog owners would like the freedom that other private beaches have to walk our dogs on a leash before and after crowds in season. All responsible owners should pick up after their dog and most do. If that means before 9 and after 7 then that is feasible…that is basically what is requested, there are NO other aspects to consider. Dog owners by law are liable for their dogs, not Tower Shores period end of story
August 3, 2020 at 1:14 am #4832Debra SilimeoParticipant
There’s a big difference between dogs on the beach at sunrise…and during the day when we’re all crowded onto the small oceanfront we have.
There’s a HUGE difference between our four blocks of heaven which is jammed with hundreds of people in townhomes, and the expanses of beach in the multi million dollar gated communities where, it seems, almost no one is on the beach – so who cares if
they have a dog? There’s at least twenty feet or more between them and their nearest beach buddy.
Why do you think the Breakwater community hires a guard to keep us off their beach? We are the most populated section of the beach between the state park and downtown Bethany.
Please be real. Please be considerate. Do we really need this to be a dividing issue? Can’t we please keep our beach for people, not pets, during the season?
I love watching sunrise. Most of all, I love the hours at the end of the day when it’s quieter and the golden light makes its magic on the beach. It’s not that I don’t like dogs. I just want the beach to be…the beach.
For almost all of the day, dozens of us haul our chairs, umbrellas, tents etc. to the beach, along with kids, toys…we sure do have a lot of stuff for four Blocks of beach.
Please can’t you keep your dogs home? Why is it so hard to follow a few rules to keep our beach clean and friendly?
Seriously, can’t we all get along?
There’s a small group of dog advocates – some running for election for the TS board – with a single issue…to force us all to sit with their dogs on the beach. Please explore the board candidates’ views carefully. And think about our community.
For me, the beach is my peace.
Owner in TS since 1999
Beach lover since birth
August 3, 2020 at 11:43 am #4839Canio CaputoParticipant
Great Points Tony. We’re in the middle of a pandemic, a couple hundred thousand people are going to die by October. People can’t even wear a mask to protect their lives and those they come in contact with. Who expects people to obey rules when it comes to their pet. They don’t obey the rules as they are written now.
We have rising sea levels, our properties could be underwater in 30 years…but sure let’s worry about Fido being able to be on the beach b/c he’s too lonely at his second home while his humans frolic in the sand. It’s ridiculous we have to keep having this conversation about pets on the beach.
How about this; If a dog is going to be on the beach, it needs to be muzzled, and on a 6′ foot leash. Just like us humans are supposed to be doing right now.
August 3, 2020 at 12:56 pm #4840Len DeCapuaParticipant
Tony has raised some important issues and potentially serious outcomes if we allow Dogs on our Tower Shores Beach. Thanks Tony! Our Beach is an escape for us, and lots of fun for our kids and grandkids that I don’t want see altered by introducing unnecessary new elements which will definitely create the problems that Tony has clearly pointed out.
August 3, 2020 at 1:30 pm #4847James CrawfordParticipant
My wife spends 4-6 at Atlantic Watergate most summers. On a regular basis, we have watched renters and owners alike, not picking up after their dogs. Our parking space is littered with dog feces everytime we arrive. If we cannot get people to clean up after their dogs around our living areas, there is no way we want them using our beach as a personal dog toilet.
If they dont respect our living area, perhaps it is time to penalize/fine or ban renters from bringing their dogs all together.
Dogs on the beach is a major health hazard. The state park is next door, they can take them over there or, dont bring them at all.
August 3, 2020 at 2:07 pm #4849Bernadette CollinsParticipant
While I find most points to be valid here, lets be clear that if the HOA votes to allow dogs on the beach, the intent is not to have the beach turn into a dog park. And Tony you know that. The proposal on the table will only be for early AM and late PM. To provide some teeth to the permission, the board should reserve the right to rescind its decision (should it make one) if its clear that dog owners are not behaving responsibly. I think a “probationary” period may be a way to determine if this works or doesn’t. Those in favor of dogs on the beach should consider signing up to be stewards of good citizenship in this regard and perhaps agree to fund the availability of bags at all crossover entrances. I agree it will be much harder to monitor with renters (witness this summers violations of the no fires on the beach or glass containers) and owners should also take into consideration limiting dogs on the beach only to Tower Shores owner community.
August 3, 2020 at 4:27 pm #4850Canio CaputoParticipant
It doesn’t matter what the intent will be. It’s not a drastic leap that Tony is making. It’s realistic to assume that the 5 people so ardent about having their dogs on the beach will ruin the beach experience for the rest of TS. Whatever the worst case scenario is it’s safe to assume it will become. People don’t obey common courtesies now, there are no ramifications for wrongdoers other than finger waving. Who is going to police it?
Who is going to be the bad guy to enforce the rules? Again, people don’t wear a mask now even if means saving their own life or others, what on earth makes people think when given the chance to enjoy more freedoms they won’t take advantage of them?
August 3, 2020 at 7:33 pm #4852Bernadette CollinsParticipant
Based on last year’ straw poll on allowing dog’s on the beach, which was decidedly against changing the current rules, its unlikely that it will be an issue we’ll need to deal with
August 4, 2020 at 12:30 am #4861Miriam LloydParticipant
I expect the vast majority of the owners of Towers Shores will put the health and safety of the many people who use our bathing beach during “the season” and vote to keep our beach free of dogs during the season. I was scratched and bruised and bleeding (and permanently scarred) this summer as I walked down the beach wearing shorts South of Tower Shores early in the morning and a dog ran over to me and jumped on my leg. I limped home and have been afraid to walk the beach since then. While most dog owners try to pick up their dog feces, all do not, and some might truly “miss” seeing some or all of their dog feces which creates a significant health hazard for those of us sitting, digging and eating food on the beach. The real question is, how do we enforce the rule to keep our beach safe and dog free during the season if some people refuse to obey the rules?
August 4, 2020 at 8:30 pm #4864Steve GadesParticipant
I couldn’t agree with Tony more.
We are dog lovers in our house so We walk these streets multiple times per day and the overwhelming evidence is that people do not clean up after their pooch on the street which should give us all limited confidence that people will change their stripes and clean up after the pups properly on the sand.
August 10, 2020 at 5:00 pm #4881Neil BeckerParticipant
Good afternoon. My parents have been AW owners since the mid 1970’s. Our own dogs have never visited Atlantic Watergate or Tower Shores. I am a former resident manager, and I periodically experienced the anger dispensed by folks who could not understand why their small breed was a violation of the no dogs rule. The vast majority of visitors and owners alike took their four-legged friends to the state park and enjoyed their stay at the beach. On my daily beach clean ups, I regularly picked up droppings on the sand and throughout the community. The TSBA sands have survived dog free for decades, and for the health and safety of all visitors the summer dog restriction should remain in place. Anecdotally, I have been to my parents’ unit twice this summer. In June I arrived in the dark, exited my vehicle, and stepped in a pile of dog droppings in our driveway. Clearly someone had not followed the “scoop the poop” rule. On my second visit in July, I had a barefoot encounter with dog droppings on the beach (the pile had been lightly buried by someone). Responsible dog owners don’t create these situations, but not all owners are responsible. Sadly, we all must plan for the inability of some dog owners to follow the rules. Just my two cents. Be well. Wear a mask. Enjoy summer.
August 12, 2020 at 3:31 pm #4891Constance CrawfordParticipant
Being an owner in Atlantic Watergate for 25 years and a dog owner, I agree with Deleware state law. Dogs are not permitted on any beach where there is swimming and sunbathing – for health reasons. Only the state park allows dogs and we are right next to the park. People can take the dogs over there.
Every summer, I usually spend 4-6 weeks at the beach. I am fed up with people not picking up after their dogs, around our tennis court and play area. Way to many times, while walking my dog, bag in hand, I see a dog owner walking their dog and not cleaning up. If you remind them, you get a dirty look and they storm off.
I arrived saturday night for one day at the beach. Arriving at night, unloading the van in the dark, walking inside and having dog feces on my shoe is enough! I did not bring my dog with me.
We need larger, eye level signs at every beach walkout reminding everyone that dogs are no allowed on the beach. If we cannot get people to cleanup around our living and play areas, I do not want them using our beach as a dog toilet. The state park allows dogs. People can take the dogs nextdoor to run around. There is absolutely no reason to have them on our beach. The worse was my grand daughter putting her beach towel down on the sand, sitting down and the smell. Yes, someone had their dog on the beach and covered the feces up with sand. It was all over her towel.
We need protect our beach where our kids play. We need to keep our beach clean.
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